Baby, let the games begin. Is Taylor Swift about to drop major news on Travis Kelce's podcast? Here are all the clues pointing to her 'next era'

Baby, let the games begin.

Is Taylor Swift about to drop major news on Travis Kelce's podcast? Here are all the clues pointing to her 'next era'

Baby, let the games begin.

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Baby, let the games begin.

Swifties everywhere were sent into quite the tizzy Monday, after the Taylor Swift-affiliated social media account Taylor Nation shared an Instagram post with the caption, "Thinking about when she said 'See you next era…' ❤️‍🔥." Suspiciously, this occurred right around the same time the *New Heights* podcast — which is hosted by Swift's boyfriend, Travis Kelce, and his brother, Jason — announced a surprise episode with "a VERY special guest" slated for Wednesday at 7 p.m. ET.

Why are fans convinced this guest is none other than Swift herself? For starters, the episode is releasing on Wednesday, which is the 13th — a very special number in Swiftian lore (for the uninitiated, she was born on the 13th of December and considers it her lucky number). The promo photo for the episode has a blacked-out outline of someone who appears to have a profile and haircut very similar to the pop star, as well.

There's also the fact that both Travis and Jason appear to be wearing official Swift merch in the pic. The background of the photo is also sparkly and orange, much like all of the Eras Tour outfits Swift is shown wearing in each photo of the aforementioned Taylor Nation post. It's also notable that this episode is going up in primetime, as opposed to its usual early-morning release, which would suggest someone *big*.

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Swifties are not just convinced that their queen is going to be on the podcast though — they have major reason to believe that she's going to drop some big news during the visit.

But what could she be announcing? The invisible strings seem to be pointing hardest to new music, specifically her 12th studio album. After all, she seems to have been hinting it was coming for a while now. Back in May, when Swift announced that she had officially bought back the masters to all of her work, a letter on her website explaining the news used 12 of the letter "i" in one line that read, "All the times I was thiiiiiiiiiiiis close."

Taylor Swift performs onstage during "Taylor Swift | The Eras Tour" at La Defense on May 09, 2024 in Paris, France.

Taylor Swift on May 9, 2024 in Paris, France.

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And, in an Instagram Stories caption celebrating friend Selena Gomez's album *I Said I Love You First*, Swift similarly used 12 of the letter "d," writing, "OH MY GODDDDDDDDDDDD." Eagle-eyed fans noticed that the singer's earrings at the Grammys earlier this year had 12 red rubies in them. All of this led Swifties to believe a 12th studio album was imminent, and now with all of this, they're practically convinced.

After all, if Swift was just going on the podcast for fun — and this would hypothetically be her first time doing so, by the way — why would Taylor Nation be posting around the same time about whatever her "next era" might be? And why would her label, Republic Records, be commenting on that post using the same heart-on-fire emoji, above? (Side note: Whatever this next possible era is, does it have something to do with flames, burning, or hearts on fire?)

Taylor Swift celebrates with Travis Kelce #87 of the Kansas City Chiefs after defeating the Buffalo Bills 32-29 in the AFC Championship Game at GEHA Field at Arrowhead Stadium on January 26, 2025 in Kansas City, Missouri.

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It all feels rather cryptic and Machiavellian from the "Mastermind" singer herself, but of course, "next era" could mean anything, or nothing. She could be in her feature film directorial debut era, finally. She could be releasing vault tracks from *Reputation*, or the re-recorded version of her debut album, which she's threatened to someday possibly do. She could be teasing some sort of filmed project, like the Eras Tour concert film. She could be in her engagement era (a joint reveal with Travis and his brother on their own podcast *would* be really sweet and personal).

Or, she could still be in her vacation era, and simply wanted to have some fun. Guess we'll all just have to tune in to *New Heights* at 7 p.m. ET on Wednesday to find out what, if any, "Vigilante S---" Swift is up to.**

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The 21year soap vet breaks down the behindthescenes experience and all the fan theories around his firstofitskind cameo on the fledgling daytime drama. Young an

The 21-year soap vet breaks down the behind-the-scenes experience and all the fan theories around his first-of-its-kind cameo on the fledgling daytime drama.

*Young and the Restless *star Bryton James reveals what made historic *Beyond the Gates *crossover feel like a 'homecoming'

The 21-year soap vet breaks down the behind-the-scenes experience and all the fan theories around his first-of-its-kind cameo on the fledgling daytime drama.

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Bryton James, Tamara Tunie, and Clifton Davis on 'Beyond the Gates'. Credit:

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**This story contains spoilers for the August 11 episode of *Beyond the Gates*.**

The titular gates to this exclusive enclave don't swing open for just anybody. But for *The Young and the Restless* star Bryton James? Any time, any day.

Two weeks after a tantalizing teaser first heralded an incoming cameo from Devon Winters, the character James has played on *Y&R *for over two decades finally arrived on Monday's installment of *Beyond the Gates*.

"It's extremely exciting," James tells * *ahead of his historic role as the first crossover star from one of the fledgling soap's sister series on CBS. Longtime fans of *Y&R *and *The Bold and the Beautiful*, its companion series since 1987, have wondered whether *Beyond the Gates*' fictional setting in a ritzy Maryland suburb exists in the same world as *Y&R*'s Genoa City, Wis., and *B&B*'s Los Angeles. Then in walks Devon, instantly uniting the disparate kingdoms of the CBS soap opera-verse.

"It was a huge honor to be the one that they asked to make that jump. And it's been really a cool experience to see the show grow into what it is," James shares.

"Episode #109" -- Coverage of the CBS Original Series BEYOND THE GATES, scheduled to air on the CBS Television Network. Pictured: Bryton James as Devon Winter.

Bryton James appears as his 'The Young and the Restless' character Devon Winters on 'Beyond the Gates'.

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"When I heard who called I knew I had to be here," Clifton Davis' retired Senator Vernon Dupree tells his EGOT-winning wife Anita (Tamara Tunie) on Monday's episode of the new daytime drama. The pair settle into a table at Fairmont Crest, the country club in the heart of the gated community which gives the series its title, where Vernon continues, "When's the last time we laid eyes on him?"

Anita sighs that "it's been years" before spotting her old pal. "Devon! Welcome to Fairmont Crest," she announces, rising to meet James' spotlessly styled record executive and producer. The timing just days after Anita's grand reunion with her Supremes-esque girl-group, The Articulettes, isn't likely an accident.**

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Devon greets "miss Anita" and "Senator Dupree" like old friends, and James credits the actors who portray them as the primary architects of the "amazing environment" he was welcomed into. "Usually it's kind of uncomfortable going onto another show or another set," he shares with EW. "[But] Tamara and Clifton couldn't be more welcoming, and were just pleasures to work with. They made me feel right at home."

"I didn't want to mess up," James jokes, reflecting on his scenes opposite Tunie and Davis, who tout a near-century of acting experience between them, a decent chunk of which was devoted to soaps (Tunie starred as Jessica Griffin on over 1300 episodes of *As the World Turns*, and Davis' career began with a stint on the short-lived *A World Apart*).

"I was really nervous about not messing up. It's kind of [about] representing *Y&R* in the best way, and being my best for them, you know, being the focal points of the show. But they made me feel good," James says.

"Episode #109" -- Coverage of the CBS Original Series BEYOND THE GATES, scheduled to air on the CBS Television Network. Pictured: Clifton Davis, Tamara Tunie and Bryton James.

Bryton James with Tamara Tunie and Clifton Davis on 'Beyond the Gates'.

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Before Devon can reveal why he placed what Anita describes as a "both intriguing and cryptic" call to the Duprees after so many years, the trio touch on the origins of their shared bond. It turns out they're acquainted through Devon's late adoptive father Neil (Kristoff St. John). "How we miss Neil - his smile, his big heart, his love of music," Anita muses, in a touching tribute to the actor who suddenly died in 2019 at 52.

Finally, Devon presents Anita with a "mind-blowing proposition" that vindicates weeks' worth of feverish speculation from soap fans.

"I livestream the reunion concert and I was just completely blown away and when you performed 'Loving You.' I knew right then and there that I had my next platinum project for my jazz label," Devon reveals. He offers the retired songstress a lucrative deal entailing "sharing executive producing credit, but you would have complete creative control." But Anita turns him down, citing the perennial Dupree "family first" dictum, and suggesting he instead sign her fellow Articulettes, Sharon (Bonita Brisker) and Tracy (Maria Howell).**

Devon seems satisfied with the counter offer, and their business seems settled. But this is Fairmont Crest, where things rarely settle down completely.********

"Episode #109" -- Coverage of the CBS Original Series BEYOND THE GATES, scheduled to air on the CBS Television Network. Pictured: Bryton James as Devon Winter and Karla Mosley as Dani Dupree.

Bryton James and Karla Mosley have a 'The Young and the Restless' reunion on 'Beyond the Gates'.

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On his way out of the country club, Devon runs into Anita and Vernon's daughter Dani (Karla Mosley), the spitfire powerhouse of the Dupree family. Witnessing James share the frame with Mosley is likely to trigger something within avid *Y&R *watchers, and the experience represents something profound for the actor, too.

"Working with Karla again, I mean, that was like a homecoming. She spent a lot of time across the hallway from us on *B&B*, and then she spent some time with my character on *Y&R*. So it just felt like home, even though it was a brand new environment," James tells EW.

Indeed, James and Mosley's paths previously crossed not once, but twice in soap world. Mosley played the trailblazing Maya Avant Forrester on *The Bold and the Beautiful *for eight years, meaning from 2013-2020, she worked year-round on the same lot as James. Then in 2021, she filled in for Mishael Morgan for a stint on* The Young and the Restless *as Amanda Sinclair, the twin sister of the late Hilary Curtis. Devon had a romantic history with both Hilary and Amanda, and the sparks certainly seemed to fly between Devon and Dani on *Beyond the Gates*.

"Devon Winters," Dani purrs when they encounter each other in the Fairmont Crest foyer. "Dani Dupree," he returns, holding the hand she offered for a shake long enough to suggest that this is hardly their first meeting. "I just offered your mom a record deal and she turned me down. Think you could put in a good word for me?" Dani says she'll try, "but when my mother says no - set in stone."

"Episode #109" -- Coverage of the CBS Original Series BEYOND THE GATES, scheduled to air on the CBS Television Network. Pictured: Tamara Tunie as Anita Dupree, Clifton Davis as Vernon Dupree and Bryton James as Devon Winter.

Bryton James' Devon Winters with Tamara Tunie's Anita Dupree and Clifton Davis' Vernon Dupree on 'Beyond the Gates'.

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Devon accepts that it's his loss and heads for the door, prompting Dani to sprout a bemused smile as she follows him out with her eyes. She is, after all, caught in the love triangle from hell with nurse Ashley (Jen Jacob) and her sister's nephew-in-law Andre (Sean Freeman), and still isn't over her imperious ex-husband Bill (Timon Kyle Durrett).

Devon would be a welcome way out of all this entanglement, but can James see a path forward with Dani?

"Absolutely," the actor says. "From how well the crossover went behind the scenes to the ideas that they've had for the future, I think they want to keep stuff open for there to be any potential interactions with our show and theirs. I think that fans will enjoy this, and that the network will pay attention."

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That might have been all for James, but one pressing matter had to be resolved before he headed back to Genoa City. Devon was adopted by the Winters family, but for a long time went by Devon Hamilton, after discovering the identities of his biological father and mother - Tucker McCall (played at the time by Stephen Nichols) and Yolanda "Harmony" Hamilton (played at the time by Debbi Morgan). Could Dani be heading straight toward an even more complicated love triangle given Bill and Devon's shared last name?

"That's very interesting. This is the first I'm hearing of this theory," James reveals. Could Bill and Devon be cousins? Even half-brothers? "It's an interesting possible connection, and it makes sense to me," he muses. "I really hope that they not only plan to have some more of us from *Y&R* head over there, but they gotta bring some of them to our show too." *Y&R *and *BTG *fans could only get so lucky.

*Beyond the Gates *airs weekdays on CBS at 2 p.m. ET/1 p.m. PT, and is also available to stream on Paramount+.**

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The retired wrestlerturnedactor and reality TV star died July 24 at his home in Clearwater, Florida. Linda Hogan remembers late exhusband Hulk Hogan on his birt

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Linda Hogan is remembering her late ex-husband Hulk Hogan on what would have been his 72nd birthday.

On Monday, the former TV personality shared a photo of her and Hulk (real name Terry Bollea) to her Instagram page. "Me and Hulkster .. 1981 Happy Birthday Terry," Linda captured the throwback photo. "I love and miss you so much .."

The sentimental tribute comes two weeks after the retired wrestler-turned-actor and reality TV star died July 24 at his home in Clearwater, Florida.

Hulk died of acute myocardial infarction, commonly known as a heart attack, * *confirmed. According to medical records, the former pro wrestler had a history of leukemia and atrial fibrillation, a common disorder that causes irregular heartbeats. The manner of death was ruled natural.

Linda and Hulk were married in 1983 and share two adult children, daughter Brooke, 37, and son Nick, 35.

The family headlined the 2000s reality show *Hogan Knows Best *together before Linda and Hulk separated in 2007. They finalized their divorce in 2009.

Despite their breakup and estrangement in recent years, Linda was notably emotional when she broke her silence after the news of Hulk's death made headlines.

"I had no idea he would pass away this soon," Linda wrote in a comment on her Instagram post from July 28. "We all really thought he would make a come back! Big surprise. We are all devastated. It's hitting me so hard."

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Hulk Hogan and ex-wife Linda Hogan.

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She wrote, "I loved Hulkster more than he loved me. It hurt when he cheated. But he was sooo famous. I sort of [understood] but it was crushing. It hurt. I b😢ever got over him or started a real relationship w anyone.. I missed HIM! I've been weeping all day. The finality. It's just shocking."**

Linda acknowledged that she and Hulk weren't on speaking terms before his death, adding that their son would "tell me things and vice versa."

"I still felt .. although broken .. we still were a family," she concluded. "It's so hard to know he's just gone. I tried to stay strong for Nick ... but I'm melting down now. It's very sad. I love you Hulkster. You were my man. The only man for me. RIP."

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Linda was among the mourners gathered for Hulk's funeral service at Indian Rocks Baptist Church in Largo, Florida on Aug. 5. Brooke, her daughter with Hulk, did not attend.

Instead, Brooke revealed on Instagram that she chose to honor her father's memory "the best and most genuine way I knew how...privately...the way that made me feel the closest to him."

"My father hated the morbidity of funerals. He didn't want one," she wrote alongside multiple photos of her along with her husband, Steven Oleksy, and their twins, Oliver and Molly — whom they welcomed in January — at the beach. "And although I know people grieve in many ways — and I'm so grateful for all celebrations and events organized to honor him — as his daughter, I had to make my own decision."**

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The former *Hogan Knows Best* star added, "Daddy, we honored you in the simplest way that agreed with my soul. We took our babies to the beach, and put them in the same salty waters you loved." **

"Molly loved the water," she continued. "I think she'll be a 'little fish,' as you called me. We love you and honor the things that made you so special. Every grain of sand and every wave reminded me of being your beach baby, and brought us closer to you. I pray you are at peace and know how dearly I love you."**

She concluded, "Rest in heaven, Daddy ❤️."

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Hulu's film is inspired by the reallife story of Whitney Wolfe, the founder of online dating app Bumble. Lily James starts a revolution against Tinder's 'pervas

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Lily James is facing her toughest battle yet: Tinder's "pervasive dick pics."

The first trailer for *Swiped*, Hulu's film chronicling the story of Bumble founder Whitney Wolfe (James), is here, and it doesn't hold back on the shocking-yet-true reality of the rise of online dating apps for the younger generation.

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Dan Stevens and Lily James in 'Swiped'.

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Inspired by the real-life story of Whitney, the movie follows the recent college grad who helped create Tinder but quickly discovered the darker side of working in the male-dominated tech industry. As Tinder's popularity grew exponentially among millennial users, so too did the problem of women receiving unwanted sexual photos on the app.

"There's an article about how pervasive the dick pics are," one female coworker tells Whitney in an emergency meeting.

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Lily James in 'Swiped'.

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"They report and nothing happens," another coworker explains to the shocked entrepreneur.

As Whitney tries to fight the growing problem, she's unceremoniously cut out from the company she helped create by men who downplay the issue.

"These chicks are just reporting guys who reject them," one of Whitney's male coworkers tells her.

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As a result, Whitney strikes out on her own to start a "revolution" against the sexist, misogynistic, toxic environment that Tinder became.

"We need to change the rules of online dating," Whitney declares, leading to her creation of Bumble, where women send the first message.

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Directed by Rachel Lee Goldenberg, the film also stars Jackson White, Myha'la, Ben Schnetzer, Pierson Fodé, Clea DuVall, Pedro Correa, Ian Colleti, Coral Peña, and Dan Stevens.

*Swiped* debuts Sept. 19, 2025 on Hulu after premiering at the Toronto International Film Festival on Sept. 9.

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That time when the director almost went full Travis Bickle on the MPAA. How Martin Scorsese almost took drastic action to protect Taxi Driver: 'I was going to d

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There's identifying with your lead character, and then there's this!

Apple TV+ released a clip promoting their forthcoming five-part documentary series *Mr. Scorsese *— the one that has every cinephile on the globe salivating. Director Rebecca Miller has gotten her hands on a ton of terrific archival footage, as well as secured interviews with a slew of director Martin Scorsese's colleagues and associates, like Steven Spielberg, Robert De Niro, Leonardo DiCaprio, Spike Lee, Sharon Stone, Margot Robbie, Brian De Palma, Thelma Schoonmaker, Mick Jagger (!), Paul Schrader, Jodie Foster, and, before he passed away, Robbie Robertson.

Miller also got the two-time Scorsese leading man (and infrequent public speaker) Daniel Day-Lewis on camera, which isn't as much of a surprise as you might think, as he is, indeed, the director's husband.

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Robert De Niro, typical Charles Palantine voter, in 'Taxi Driver'.

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The first clip of the series revisits a story many fans of his work already know — that both the MPAA and Columbia Pictures gave him a hard time about the initial cut of *Taxi Driver*, the revolutionary film he released in 1976, which won the Palme d'Or at Cannes and cemented him as a major cinematic force. What *Mr. Scorsese *does is get to the bottom of just how far the quintessential New York filmmaker was willing to go to save his project.

"Marty was very upset," Scorsese's pal Steven Spielberg explained in the clip. "I get a call at the office, and he said, 'Steve, Steve, this is Marty. Can you come over to the house? They want me to cut all the blood spurting, they want me to cut the guy who loses his hand!'"

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Scorsese was, of course, describing the big conclusion to *Taxi Driver *in which Robert De Niro's Travis Bickle character descends to the darkest recesses of Hell (today an exclusive neighborhood with New York University student housing) to rescue Jodie Foster's character from, as Bickle puts it, "the scum, the filth, the dogs" plus some other terms we've decided to edit out.**

"He was going crazy, there were stories he wanted to kill the head of the studio," fellow director Brian De Palma chimed in.

That's when Miller can be heard asking the now cuddly Instagram-friendly auteur, "You had a gun?"

Rolling his eyes, the *Killers of the Flower Moon *director corrected, "I was gonna get one," then, with a chuckle, added, "but I wasn't gonna get it."

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Robert De Niro's Travis Bickle at the conclusion of Martin Scorsese's 'Taxi Driver'.

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When pressed, he confessed, "I was angry, I was gonna threaten them, I said I was gonna' shoot or some[thing] — I have no idea, I was [just] threatening."

A little more seriously, and perhaps recognizing how much this tall tale was sounding like the ending of *Taxi Driver*, he said, "What I wanted to do — but not with a gun — I would go in, find out where the rough cut is, and break the windows and take it away. They were gonna destroy the film anyway, so let me destroy it. I'll destroy it. But before destroying it, I'm gonna steal it."

Funnily enough, a scenario just like this did eventually get realized on film. You can watch Blake Edwards' 1981 movie *S.O.B. *for more.

Luckily, Spielberg and others calmed Scorsese down, even though he said, "The more they said no, the more I said I was going to do it."

Martin Scorsese attends a screening of "Personality Crisis: One Night Only" during the 60th New York Film Festival at The Film Society of Lincoln Center, Alice Tully Hall on October 13, 2022 in New York City.

Martin Scorsese, a little mellower, at a 2022 event in New York City.

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In time, someone had the brilliant idea that, as Spielberg said, "mollified the MPAA." They took the final sequence and tinted the color a little. By reducing the garish red and making it, as Scorsese described, "feel more like a tabloid, mak[ing] it grainy," they were able to keep the ending.

"It saved the movie," a triumphant Spielberg recalled. "He didn't have to cut any of the violence; he just had to take the color red down to a kind of brown."**

"It saved the movie," a triumphant Spielberg recalled. "He didn't have to cut any of the violence; he just had to take the color red down to a kind of brown."

Now, as to whether Travis Bickle was a villain or hero, or, as some people think, actually died in the big climax, making the final sequence a death vision, that's something only you can decide for yourself.

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